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policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or incorrect? >> my -- >> yes or no. >> my reference to -- >> are you answering the question, senator hagel? the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straightforward question. >> well -- >> i would like to answer whether you were right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> well, i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer -- >> well, let the record show that you refuse to answer that question. now please go ahead. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was senator john mccain grilling his old friend chuck hagel last week at hagel's confirmation hearing. the senate armed services committee was supposed to vote today on hagel's nomination to head the pentagon, but that vote has been postponed after republicans said they hadn't received sufficient information about hagel's financial records and specifically about any payments he's received from foreign sources. that's an odd hurdle given that republicans never seem concerned about foreign revenue
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policy aligned with the constitution when foreign policy has become so monolithic so lacking in debate that republicans and democrats routinely pass foreign policy statements without debating without votes where are the calls for moderation the calls for restraint anyone who questions the bipartisan consensus is immediately castigated rebuked and their patriotism challenged sounded a little like his father there are others though are weary of the younger paul in question just how closely his beliefs resemble that of his father to discuss i'm joined now by matt welch editor in chief for reason welcome mat. so has red been able to appeal to a conservative base that his father repulsed. yes already in the very fact that we were the heritage foundation in february of two thousand and thirteen or just two years of heritage banging the drums for more funding and a more robust. sense there was about one month before the november point kind of election to the tea party and ram all this off as the heritage presidents and as owner of heroes of sirius pieces with american enterprise institute hea
policy aligned with the constitution when foreign policy has become so monolithic so lacking in debate that republicans and democrats routinely pass foreign policy statements without debating without votes where are the calls for moderation the calls for restraint anyone who questions the bipartisan consensus is immediately castigated rebuked and their patriotism challenged sounded a little like his father there are others though are weary of the younger paul in question just how closely his...
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you can't, you know, conduct foreign policy declarations by league things to the media. that can't be your oversight. there has to be something. >> jennifer daskal from georgetown eun jerts and jeremy scahill and hina and jeremy epstein. >> we're joined by paul krugman on what he wants to hear in the president's state of the union address right after this. you h. your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and they have six grams of sugars. with fifteen grams of protein to help manage hunger... look who's getting smart about her weight. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. and you'll dump your old mop. but don't worry, he'll find someone else. ♪ who's that lady? ♪ who's that lady? ♪ sexy lady ♪ who's that lady? [ female announcer ] used mops can grow bacteria. swiffer wetjet star
you can't, you know, conduct foreign policy declarations by league things to the media. that can't be your oversight. there has to be something. >> jennifer daskal from georgetown eun jerts and jeremy scahill and hina and jeremy epstein. >> we're joined by paul krugman on what he wants to hear in the president's state of the union address right after this. you h. your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for...
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of war that obama has not just continued, but expanded dramatically and it is the lasting legacy of foreign policy. >> and that leave mes with the question because of so many ideological differences of president obama and president bush, but not on this. it suggests possibilities that presidents are just presidents and they always expand their kind of war powers which is one possibility, and the other is that the president nose something that i don't know about what constitutes threats to the national security, and the third is that well, on this one question, this president is just as hawk ish as george w. bush and any way to adjudicate the possibilities of what war means to the obama administration? >> well, i think that, i think that is absolutely right, it has been a continuation of the bush administration policies, and yes, administrations always try to push the outer bounds of the authority. but one thank is clear is that the laws of war have not changed even if the practice has changed. there are really three reasons that a country can, a state can use force outside of its borders. o
of war that obama has not just continued, but expanded dramatically and it is the lasting legacy of foreign policy. >> and that leave mes with the question because of so many ideological differences of president obama and president bush, but not on this. it suggests possibilities that presidents are just presidents and they always expand their kind of war powers which is one possibility, and the other is that the president nose something that i don't know about what constitutes threats to...
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foreign policy. many people around the world are very concerned. as they should be all right appreciate your thoughts on the subject will be interesting to see how this plays out dr colonic carvel scholar and author of exporting made in america democracy thanks for being with us. now later in the program iran gives egypt a loan to help the cash strapped state that is foundering in political crisis stay afloat. that is despite tehran itself laboring under severe economic pressure after several rounds of us backed sanctions over its nuclear program. tunisia is witnessing the largest political crisis sense of the revolution two years ago anti-government protests turned violent as police used tear gas to disperse crowds near the interior ministry earlier the violence spread to the southern city of god where hundreds attacked security forces with stones and petrol bombs and rest was sparked by the assassination of the secular opposition leader bill light known for his anti islamic criticism the country's prime minister moved to quell the unrest by formi
foreign policy. many people around the world are very concerned. as they should be all right appreciate your thoughts on the subject will be interesting to see how this plays out dr colonic carvel scholar and author of exporting made in america democracy thanks for being with us. now later in the program iran gives egypt a loan to help the cash strapped state that is foundering in political crisis stay afloat. that is despite tehran itself laboring under severe economic pressure after several...
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foreign policy goals it's an issue with covered extensively here at r.s.c. and finally making its way into the mainstream conversation on order to operate these unmanned aircraft the u.s. needs military bases relatively close to the planned targets and it turns out the u.s. has had one in saudi arabia for about two years or where in saudi arabia that's still a mystery but chances are you had no idea it existed and that's because it's been somewhat of a secret apparently many media outlets knew all about the base but didn't report it it's now coming to light that american media did not report on it because of an agreement with the obama administration this according to the washington post and the new york times who are now coming forward with what they've known all this time for more i was joined by russ baker editor in chief of who what why dot com and i first asked him if this broken secret comes as a surprise. not really it's very common practice among american mainstream news organizations to receive requests from the u.s. government to withhold informati
foreign policy goals it's an issue with covered extensively here at r.s.c. and finally making its way into the mainstream conversation on order to operate these unmanned aircraft the u.s. needs military bases relatively close to the planned targets and it turns out the u.s. has had one in saudi arabia for about two years or where in saudi arabia that's still a mystery but chances are you had no idea it existed and that's because it's been somewhat of a secret apparently many media outlets knew...
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policy i'm also not an expert on sustainable farming systems the history of social movements or lego's the occupy movement has experts on all those things and more not really one of the happily married husband a father of two fantastic children i live on a main street in a small new england town with actual white picket fences i made this movie for you me and everyone we know in the hope that we can create a world where human need comes before corporate greed so why does it feel almost un-american to say that i think about it this way just go with me for a second here you know that scene from the oliver stone film wall street when gordon gekko played by michael douglas in a role that would win him an oscar appears at a shareholders meeting of a company or paper to defend his actions and his grotesque worldview and delivers the now famous speech where he says. the lack of better word is good. right. create works. there.
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it should be rejected as a tool of foreign policy." the church committee report came out, said that. gerald ford issued an executive order banning assassinations. the select committees on intelligence were formed in the house and the senate to exert oversight over the cia. since the armed services committees who had been supposedly overseeing them had fallen down on the job, actually, they'd never seen all that interested in that part of the job in the first place. and that is how we got to a place where these senators today could question this cia director nominee under the expectation that he has to answer to them. and they need to be apprised of what the cia is doing every step of the way. and targeted killing by the cia is not just something they're allowed to do quietly on their own or in private with the white house without at least having to explain. >> every american has the right to know when their government believes it's allowed to kill them. and ensuring that the congress has the documents and information it needs to conduc
it should be rejected as a tool of foreign policy." the church committee report came out, said that. gerald ford issued an executive order banning assassinations. the select committees on intelligence were formed in the house and the senate to exert oversight over the cia. since the armed services committees who had been supposedly overseeing them had fallen down on the job, actually, they'd never seen all that interested in that part of the job in the first place. and that is how we got...
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policy in defense during these nomination hearings. whether it's hagel or brennan or whatever. they're just taking cheap shots all over the place, and they're not having a serious discussion. >> what -- >> in other words, if dick cheney wants to get in the ball game and have a really serious -- >> you raise this, i have to answer your question. what is the burr in lindsey graham's saddle? >> well -- >> why is he putting a hold on hagel? >> he's not going to put a hold on hagel. that's just -- he's just grabbing his ankles on the way out the door. hagel is going to be confirmed. it's a done deal. john mccain has blessed it. john mccain said he gave the committee enough -- said hagel gave the committee enough information, i'm not going to hold him up on benghazi. i think lindsey graham is there to be the last annoying guy to make sure that hagel keeps whatever promises he made behind the scenes -- >> howard, does this -- >> to carl levin and -- >> the cisco kid may have handed the okay, but poncho is still fighting the war. thank you, ho
policy in defense during these nomination hearings. whether it's hagel or brennan or whatever. they're just taking cheap shots all over the place, and they're not having a serious discussion. >> what -- >> in other words, if dick cheney wants to get in the ball game and have a really serious -- >> you raise this, i have to answer your question. what is the burr in lindsey graham's saddle? >> well -- >> why is he putting a hold on hagel? >> he's not going to...
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., foreign policy, the sad truth about benghazi. the cia director john brennan and his support for drone bombings to kill american traitors and we might get into waterboarding as well. first up the automatic sequester spending cuts set to kick in in three weeks. outgoing secretary of defense leon pan et offered these dire warning today before congress. take a listen. >> frankly one of the greatest security risks we are now facing as a nation that, this budget uncertainty could prompt the most significant readiness -- military readiness crisis in more than a decade. >> all right. but there are ways to responsibly trim the pentagon's budget and still protect national security. former defense undersecretary michelle flournoy, if identify got that right -- michelle flournoy, i beg your pardon, she penned an op-ed in the wall street journal this week. joining us is aforementioned michele flournoy. michelle, or undersecretary, which ever you prefer -- >> michelle, please. >> i thought your piece was terrific. sequester or not, defense dep
., foreign policy, the sad truth about benghazi. the cia director john brennan and his support for drone bombings to kill american traitors and we might get into waterboarding as well. first up the automatic sequester spending cuts set to kick in in three weeks. outgoing secretary of defense leon pan et offered these dire warning today before congress. take a listen. >> frankly one of the greatest security risks we are now facing as a nation that, this budget uncertainty could prompt the...
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policy in as far as being able to take out terrorist where is he doesn't have to send u.s. troops and john brennan was an architect of that strategy. of course, controversial because there are innocent civilians who can get caught up in that as "the new york times" written about earlier this week, as well. that's obviously where some of this is coming from but the question americans face is would you rather have american troops and boots on the ground in yemen and pakistan or the unmanned drones taking on this responsibility? >> thank you very much. i appreciate you changing conversations in the middle of everything. we'll have plenty of time i'm sure to talk about chuck hagel. meantime, let's take the audience to the senate hearing and senator dianne feinstein. >> because of the added importance of having steady leadership at an organization that conducts most of its business outside of the public arena. intelligence is critical to the successful draw down in afghanistan, to the brutal war going on within's syria's borders, across north africa where the attacks of benghazi
policy in as far as being able to take out terrorist where is he doesn't have to send u.s. troops and john brennan was an architect of that strategy. of course, controversial because there are innocent civilians who can get caught up in that as "the new york times" written about earlier this week, as well. that's obviously where some of this is coming from but the question americans face is would you rather have american troops and boots on the ground in yemen and pakistan or the...
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we have republicans who are in a weird position on foreign policy and national security precisely because the president has been so aggressive. in a lot of ways there's not a lot of daylight between what republicans do in the same position as democrats. unless we're bipartisan, there is a lot of people in particular, chuck hagel as defense secretary nominee, and there has been some talk by some in the gop leadership that they will filibuster his nomination. john mccain saying he won't. what is your read on all that many. >> i think it will be a very interesting move to filibuster. it will be a drastic move. wron if you guys saw, but carl livin said he will hold a vote on the nomination tomorrow, so they are moving ahead with it. my hunch is that they won't because i think deep down inside republican senators believe that a president does deserve to choose his advisors, and i think it sets a bad press debt because one day there will be a republican in the white house again. maybe not, i guess. the venom from republican senators towards chuck hagel is pretty remarkable. this is not a fwi wh
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policy it's not worth it in the end we can continue to carry on our actions without restraint john brennan often referred to as the architect of the administration's drone war how it's the new opportunities for the u.s. to wage wars without risking american lives there's another reason a targeted strikes can be a wise choice to strategic consequences that inevitably come with the use of force . as we have seen deploying large armies abroad won't always be our best offense obama has redefined war there an intervention in libya he made the case that the war powers act didn't apply because there was no risk to american soldiers and so under that rationale he can expand the global war while in his state of the union address claiming that we don't need perpetual war for peace but it is perpetual war when you can drop bombs on any country and then claim that it's not all in all the u.s. now has around ten thousand drones in its fleet not all of them carry weapons of course a lot of them are for surveillance both domestic and international there's a great push both from the administration and the
policy it's not worth it in the end we can continue to carry on our actions without restraint john brennan often referred to as the architect of the administration's drone war how it's the new opportunities for the u.s. to wage wars without risking american lives there's another reason a targeted strikes can be a wise choice to strategic consequences that inevitably come with the use of force . as we have seen deploying large armies abroad won't always be our best offense obama has redefined...
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in president obama you had someone who campaigned in wanting to turn the page in terms of foreign policy from the bush doctrine, from the bush era policies, but in many ways has followed them and has been handed this entire security apparatus, this particular program began in 2004, about 400 strikes have happened so far. about 3,000 people have been killed, mostly pakistan, somali, yemen. but you have had this sort of deafening silence for the most part from progressives and liberals around this. you have had a few voices certainly on the hill and even on your network to raise questions about it, but by and large, the president has been given something of a pass. i think also the public has moved beyond this in some ways. there's a post-9/11 new normal in terms of how the public looks at the prosecution of this war on terror. they see it, it seems to me, as a vast war, an endless war in some ways that might be best prosecuted in this way rather than those large land wars we saw in afghanistan and iraq of this sort of pinpointed targeting of folks seem so far to have found some positive b
in president obama you had someone who campaigned in wanting to turn the page in terms of foreign policy from the bush doctrine, from the bush era policies, but in many ways has followed them and has been handed this entire security apparatus, this particular program began in 2004, about 400 strikes have happened so far. about 3,000 people have been killed, mostly pakistan, somali, yemen. but you have had this sort of deafening silence for the most part from progressives and liberals around...
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policy it's not worth it in the end we can continue to carry on our actions without restraint john brennan often referred to as the architect of the administration's drone war counts the new opportunities for the us to wage wars without risking american lives there's another reason the targeted strikes can be a wise choice strategic consequences that inevitably come with the use of force. as we have seen deploying large armies abroad won't always be our best offense obama has redefined war three intervention in libya he made the case that the war powers act in a quiet because there was no risk to american soldiers and so under that rationale he can expand the global war while in his state of the union address claiming that we don't need perpetual war for peace but it is perpetual war when you can drop bombs on any country and then claim that it's not working all in all the u.s. now has around ten thousand drones in its fleet not all of them carry weapons of course a lot of them are for surveillance both domestic and international there's a great push both from the administration and the dr
policy it's not worth it in the end we can continue to carry on our actions without restraint john brennan often referred to as the architect of the administration's drone war counts the new opportunities for the us to wage wars without risking american lives there's another reason the targeted strikes can be a wise choice strategic consequences that inevitably come with the use of force. as we have seen deploying large armies abroad won't always be our best offense obama has redefined war...
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policy. tens of thousands of students and teachers have taken to the streets of spain on the largest day of protests so far and make calls for the government to step aside spain's public sector is facing fresh cuts with the hits to the education expected to be nearly five billion euros polish mitt produce at artie's a rupee video agency spoke to some of the demonstrators. hundreds of people are gathered here in madrid to complain about cuts in education they are mostly students parents of students and teachers but the education is not their only concern they're also demanding the resignation of the government the government of money i know the whole has been accused of receiving bribes from private companies and opening bank accounts in switzerland looking at the people you can see burton's saying calling spain the last vegas of the european union and also complaining about the lack of democracy that people are protesting and there is no solution to their complaints the salary of a teacher. i
policy. tens of thousands of students and teachers have taken to the streets of spain on the largest day of protests so far and make calls for the government to step aside spain's public sector is facing fresh cuts with the hits to the education expected to be nearly five billion euros polish mitt produce at artie's a rupee video agency spoke to some of the demonstrators. hundreds of people are gathered here in madrid to complain about cuts in education they are mostly students parents of...
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. >> i would argue that a more restrained foreign policy is the true conservative foreign policy. >> the average american is not thinking about and trying to wonder about where the republican party s they're thinking about how to make their life work. >> your leader in the house right there eric cantor, where is this debate headed? >> i think it's a good debate for the republican party to have. when you lose an election, you ought to be a little bit reflective and ought to think back and ought to begin to say, what do we need to do differently? we didn't do badly in the election but the president won with less than he was elected in '0, lower popular vote, lower electoral vote. held the house, 30 governors. the idea this is some existential crisis is overdone i think but we didn't win so what do we need differently. i like what we're hearing and like the direct line that governor jindal took because i think we have -- >> can't be too smart. >> we nearly were in the fiscal cliff and could have triggered a big tax increase. i don't want to be stupid but you also need to be principled a
. >> i would argue that a more restrained foreign policy is the true conservative foreign policy. >> the average american is not thinking about and trying to wonder about where the republican party s they're thinking about how to make their life work. >> your leader in the house right there eric cantor, where is this debate headed? >> i think it's a good debate for the republican party to have. when you lose an election, you ought to be a little bit reflective and ought...
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policy. tens of thousands of students and teachers have taken to the streets of spain on the largest day of protest so far i mean calls for the government to step aside spain's public sector is facing fresh cuts with the hits to the education expected to be nearly five billion euros polish mitt produce said artie's a rupee video agency's way to some of the demonstrators. hundreds of people are gathered here in madrid to complain about cuts in education they are mostly students parents of...
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from washington karen finney, a columnist with the hill, and michael o'hanlon, senior foreign policy fellows at the brookings institution. welcome to you both. mike, if i can start with you. in addition to the many other responsibilities that you yourself carry, you're also a member of the cia's external advisory board. are you satisfied with john brennan's responses, particularly in relation to the drone program? >> well, you know, martin, i do think we need checks and balances in our system, and i think groping towards the right way to handle a question of whether it be drones or some other kind of use of force, the broader question here is using force in a country where we haven't before or against a person we haven't before, possibly an american citizen when you have got this very broad authorization on the use of force against an enemy that's very generally defined going back to the 2001 legislation. so it's bigger than any one technology that might be used. but, no, i'm not totally comfortable yet, martin. i still wonder if we need some kind of internal executive branch but tot
from washington karen finney, a columnist with the hill, and michael o'hanlon, senior foreign policy fellows at the brookings institution. welcome to you both. mike, if i can start with you. in addition to the many other responsibilities that you yourself carry, you're also a member of the cia's external advisory board. are you satisfied with john brennan's responses, particularly in relation to the drone program? >> well, you know, martin, i do think we need checks and balances in our...
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they were two managements of foreign policy. one low level, and a different one strategic going out of the white house, and many thinks the white house had at the time objectives not really informed at the security council on the one hand or the state department. lou: let me ask you just straight up, yes or no. were you disappointed or disgusted at the conduct of the president of the united states and the secretary of state? >> i think that by trying to put this on the video, this was a diversion from what was happening on the ground, and they tried not to inform the american public before the elections. i think that's the con consensuf most of us, those of us who know what the jihadists were trying to do. lou: thank you for being with us. more on the rising tensionings in -- tensions in the middle east and president obama's response with the a-team next. the northeast hit by another big storm. in fact, a record storm. the blizzard update is next. bush whacked or hacked, however you want to say it, the bush family photos and sec
they were two managements of foreign policy. one low level, and a different one strategic going out of the white house, and many thinks the white house had at the time objectives not really informed at the security council on the one hand or the state department. lou: let me ask you just straight up, yes or no. were you disappointed or disgusted at the conduct of the president of the united states and the secretary of state? >> i think that by trying to put this on the video, this was a...
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policy. it would mean that someone who was deemed unacceptable for years for e.v.a.'s because of his involvement in torture and rendition about which we've learned nothing but additional negative information is now acceptable because he engages in a program of murder and the goodness of the murder outweighs the bad nissel of the torture and this is actually how people think and how they talk that murdering people is or legal more acceptable more moral and just in good then capturing people and torturing them as if anyone is captured must be tortured and so forth and as if we must have a ground war anywhere we don't have a drone war that this is how they are thinking and it is it is absolutely revolting there there are many americans who do object but we're in a minority well they have had harsh words for sure but. you may be in the minority of course as you mentioned john brennan was forced to withdraw his own planet as a back in two thousand and eight over the same sorts of issues so why do
policy. it would mean that someone who was deemed unacceptable for years for e.v.a.'s because of his involvement in torture and rendition about which we've learned nothing but additional negative information is now acceptable because he engages in a program of murder and the goodness of the murder outweighs the bad nissel of the torture and this is actually how people think and how they talk that murdering people is or legal more acceptable more moral and just in good then capturing people and...
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what should the role of the united states be in foreign policy? there is in answer coming out of the republican camp which allows obama to dominate this stuff with no policy. he has no policy. >> the drone issue, whether the president can unilaterally kill american citizens overseas by himself with no other say so whether we have rights this were george bush, remember what happened? they were capturing people and interrogating them and waterboarding them on or whatever and three people they waterboards, this president killed four americans with drone strikes including a 16-year-old without authorization. the problem here, the vast hypocrisy of our system. we saw this in the hagel hearings. half the democrats know at least that the chuck hagel has no business being defense secretary but no one will speak up. everyone is putting party ahead of country and we are seeing it on foreign policy. the press took a dive and covered this up. we find out today that there is more stuff about whether or not there were agents in benghazi. hagel said israel was t
what should the role of the united states be in foreign policy? there is in answer coming out of the republican camp which allows obama to dominate this stuff with no policy. he has no policy. >> the drone issue, whether the president can unilaterally kill american citizens overseas by himself with no other say so whether we have rights this were george bush, remember what happened? they were capturing people and interrogating them and waterboarding them on or whatever and three people...
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it's a major component of his foreign policy. and listen, there is a difference between operational oversight, which is what congressman rogers was stressing in the interview with andrea mitchell, and legal oversight. and up until this point we really haven't seen any legal justification that the administration has presented for why it can target american civilians abroad if it has determined an imminent threat to the homeland. >> well, it was written today in the "new yorker" that the justification that they're using is a comparison to military troops going into cambodia in vietnam. that's how the nixon administration, they're making that comparison. i don't know how that's going to set with a lot of people. so i'm anxious to hear what mr. brennan does for justification tomorrow. sam? >> let me add one point to that which is the other thing the administration has done is well, we've been talking about this process, attorney general eric holder has been talking about this process. john brennan has been talking about this process
it's a major component of his foreign policy. and listen, there is a difference between operational oversight, which is what congressman rogers was stressing in the interview with andrea mitchell, and legal oversight. and up until this point we really haven't seen any legal justification that the administration has presented for why it can target american civilians abroad if it has determined an imminent threat to the homeland. >> well, it was written today in the "new yorker"...
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policy is been codified now we don't see a change it's getting worse. it's got much worse i mean strikes under obama have been much much greater i think it was a really was a good guy in terms of this but he didn't get reelected but i believe the eleven senators signed a letter today but eleven's not very freely there's not enough opposition so i think we could be united states could be painting itself into a lot of problems for the future and again as i say other countries have got this technology they're developing it really rapidly when countries are attacking places that the united states have interests and i don't know what's going to be said well the wars will actually be triggered or what ok david i'll give you the last word in the program you know other countries who get these weapons and relatively soon. many many countries have got them and are beginning to use them and that disturbs americans in their xenophobia and their exceptionalism and that may help to change the debate i certainly hope so coup senator was not on elected he was redistric
policy is been codified now we don't see a change it's getting worse. it's got much worse i mean strikes under obama have been much much greater i think it was a really was a good guy in terms of this but he didn't get reelected but i believe the eleven senators signed a letter today but eleven's not very freely there's not enough opposition so i think we could be united states could be painting itself into a lot of problems for the future and again as i say other countries have got this...